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Andrew Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM Edited on 2011-03-16 16:43:51.0
Can models only wrap round against an enemy unit to their front? We had a situation where a unit of Titan Slaves charged a unit of Anubi Warriors in their flank. Firstly, do the Slaves get the +1 to their Melee Test in every round of combat?

Secondly, the unit of Slaves extended past the extent of the Warriors' flank, so the two Slaves at the edges of their unit faced no opponents. Could my Warriors "wrap around" so that more models got into combat?

Oceanborn
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Posted: Thursday, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM
The +1 to the melee test is only in the turn that they charge.

The slaves can wrap around in their next activation if the Anubi Warriors have not done so. They cannot wrap around in the turn that they charge.

Andrew Paul
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Posted: Friday, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM
I was actually asking about the Warriors wrapping round the Slaves. I know the Slaves could have wrapped; that's simple. What I was asking is can the Warriors wrap up to a unit on their flank, to bring more models into contact?

Which brings up another point - the unit that gets charged tends to have the advantage when it comes to wrapping round. At least in my experience, charges happen early in the turn, to prevent the opponent screwing with you. This means the unit being charged has the first activation where the units [i]begin[/i] in contact, and so get to wrap around.

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Posted: Friday, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Andrew Paul, I believe you are forgetting the rule that units cannot wrap until after the initial turn of melee. So, if a units Charges a unit that has not activated, when the unit that was charged does activate, it will be unable to wrap. As the melee is still in its initial turn.

In the melee, you mentioned at the beginning of this post, on the following turn which ever unit activates first would be the one that wraps. Note, wrapping is not optional, you must wrap if you are able & with as many models(their Mv) that are not currently engaged in melee.

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Andrew Paul
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Posted: Friday, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:13 PM
Ah, I misunderstood the rule. That makes more sense.

Does your second paragraph imply that a unit can (in fact, [i]should[/i]) 'wrap' against a unit to its side, not just one in front of it?

Akori
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Posted: Friday, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:13 PM
Yeah, the rule I metioned is actually not in the book, but in the FAQ here on-line: "Q:When can a Unit Can Wrap Around? A: Wrapping occurs only in turns after the initial turn in which two enemy units first come into melee contact."

As far as I know a unit has the ability to wrap if it is flanked, in column, or even when engaged to the rear! The only time a unit may not wrap is when it is Disordered.

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Oceanborn
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Posted: Friday, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Sorry I misunderstood the question

My understanding is the same as Akori's WRT the rules for wrapping.

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Posted: Saturday, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:10 AM
Good answers, guys. Yes, a unit can wrap to the flank or rear, so long as they are the first unit to activate on the second Turn of combat.

Andrew Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 at 5:30 PM
Akori said:
Andrew Paul, I believe you are forgetting the rule that units cannot wrap until after the initial turn of melee.
Apologies for the necromancy, but this came up again tonight; On checking the rulebook, it doesn't actually say that on page 54. :) The caption on page 55, "A unit of Heru is engaged in melee combat with a unit of To-tanem. On the Turn following the initial Turn of combat, the Heru unit is activated first. Therefore the Heru may wrap around the To-tanem", certainly implies that, and an old Q&A document my opponent had makes it clear, but there's nothing in the hardback rulebook or the Rules Amendment document on this site to make it clear. An item for a future update of the Rules Amendment document, I think.

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Posted: Monday, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM
Ok with you. page 54 and the para "If the unit begins [...] Activation Phase." are not so clear than the example page 55.

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