If we are going to go as far sou west to Carthage, the Greek colony of Cyrene might also be a place to build army from. The were supposedly descended from Dorians (Spartans) and Cretans.

btw Daryl, Carthage is a cool idea.

Good shout on the Numidians, Hektor. Forgot to mention that in my previous post :). There's a fair few historicals companies who do Numidians. Whilst they're not quite to the WarGods style they'd do well enough.

I think Thebes would give more fertile ground for gaming than Cyrene. Probably Syracuse too.

Carthage has a rep for sacrificing their children so perhaps they should be an infamous faction?

Because leaving them out in the open to die a slow and painful death is a much better way of getting rid of unwanted children? Leaving aside any questions as to actual historicity of Carthaginian child sacrifice.

A infamous city would be a great idea. And BTW Carthage did do child sacrifice and if the omens were real bad the noble families had to give up one of there children for sacrifice.

Jon

The issue is nowhere near as clear cut as you make out. The written evidence comes from Carthage's enemies and the interpretation of the archaeological evidence which was once used to support the written account is highly suspect.

You can say that about any archaeological evidence,and it being highly suspect is just an opinion and your opinion is just as good as mine. Life was cheap back then,and from what I've read Carthage did sacrafrice children but they weren't the only ones.

Jon

How do you know your opinion is worth the same as mine? I could be the world's foremost expert in the study of ancient Carthage. Or you could be. I have no idea what research you've done on ancient Carthage. I know what I've done and if you've done a similar level then I'd be very pleased to debate the issue with you :)

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and every opinion is worth about the same ,but on Carthage and human sacrafrice the only evidence we have is accounts of there enemies. But that's the info that's available if its suspect is also just an opinion, but that's what you have to deal with ancient history, but since this site is about plying with toy soldiers , I'm going to talk about toy soldiers and really neat demigods and big giant crocs that walkon two feet I'm not going debate on the historical evidence like I'm a second year history student. And BTW Carthage had human sacrifice because my harbinger saw it first hand and he reported it his master of word. TaTa

Jon

I'm well aware of what I have to deal with as an ancient historian. I've also no issue at all with only discussing toy soldiers. I didn't bring up child sacrifice in the thread or make claims like Carthage definitely did do child sacrifice.

Peace and Harmony brother

:)

Tangiers said:
Some historians believe that certain large Roman sects thought that the destruction of Carthage damned Rome as they were children of the same gods and would be punished for their betrayal.

Which historians are you referring to?

Offhand, I can't think of any classical historians who mention this.

I'm not aware of any either though that isn't to say I just haven't come across them. Polybius records Scipio Aemilianus saying to him as Carthage is being destroyed "A glorious moment, Polybius; but I have a dread foreboding that some day the same doom will be pronounced on my own country."

The destructions of Carthage and Corinth are the start of the second half of Livy's 100 book history of Rome. The first half focuses on Rome's rise to dominance but the second half is about Rome's decline once it had gained dominance of the Mediterranean, became wealthy, and turned in on itself.

That's probably the reference ,but as said earlier not a lot of reliable info. I still like the idea of a evil state and elephants

Jon