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hazpak
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Posted: Thursday, Feb 09, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Ran into this last night.
Can you buy multiple spears for a character? Basically to use as throwing weapons
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Oceanborn
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Posted: Thursday, Feb 09, 2012 at 6:23 PM
We could make the question broader, and say can you buy multiples of a weapon option?
e.g. can you buy multiple double-handed weapons? can you buy multiple sets of javelins? (I can see uses for both of these)
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lonejedi
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Posted: Saturday, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:33 AM
I would say no although it doesn't have anything saying so. I think that you could only carry one of each type due to looking at the logical task of carrying everything due to wieght. But if you wanted to carry loads remember you have to have them all modeled on who ever has them!
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boltman201
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Posted: Saturday, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to go with 1 spear and a sling? I've never thrown a spear but doesn't the sling also have a much longer distance? (dont have my rulebook on me) Also if your looking for fire of opportunity why don't you go for javalins.
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Akenatum
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Posted: Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:05 AM
probably wanting the spear for the dm as well as in combat.... I'd say no but nothing actually stops this that i can find in the rules.
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Fenrihr
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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:07 AM — Edited on 2012-02-14 03:09:01.0
I'd say that, if you really wanted to, there's nothing in the rules saing you can't.
From a practical point of view, carrying three spears is not that much harder than carrying three javelins... especially if you happen to be an 8' tall wendigo ice warrior (who can't take a sling)... and noting that a spear has a longer throwing range and better DM than a javelin, not to mention more uses in combat - which is why they cost more. I think lonejedi's point about modelling them is valid... WYSIWYG and all that... but I've seen plenty of characters in army lists loaded up with a small arsenal including shield, bow, two handed weapon, multiple hand hand weapons and a couple of javelins thrown in for good measure... and can't see much of a difference in size and weight when carrying that lot over carrying a couple of spears instead.
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hazpak
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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:34 PM
Fenrihr - This is where that weapons rack addon comes into it own. model it on the base with the hero and problem solved :) and maybe a lackey to carry it as well
But yes might have to talk about WYSIWYG - since i have converted all my titans for their mutations no reason he can't model a few spears (even if its just a base of spears stuck in the ground behind him or something)
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Fenrihr
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Posted: Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:38 AM
LOL - I like the idea of modelling a lackey to carry all the extra kit.... or perhaps a pack mule...
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Alxbates
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Posted: Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:30 AM
I'm fairly certain that a model can only carry one Spear, although someone can carry a spear and a brace of javelins.
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CBP3
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Posted: Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Alex is right. There was a ruling somewhere (i thinmk at a con) that you could only have one of each type of weapon option- 2 hand weapons being the "exception" because it's a specific weapon choice.
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Akori
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Posted: Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:14 AM
I believe the rulings are limited to the GM.
I've played in different campaigns with different rulings. I don't know if there has ever been an actual Croc ruling on the subject. They just have to decide which weapons they will use at the start of melee and that's what they use until melee is over. I know Croc ruled on that part before, or it's in the rulebook somewhere. I'm all for someone taking 2 or 3 Spears if they like. Personally I think the 4 (most certainly 8) more points for an extra spear could be better used for armor, or other weaponry, elsewhere, but to each their own. I do recall a cool rule at Kublacon where a mini could be equipped w/4 hands worth of weapons/shield and a missile weapon. So, your Harbinger could have a dbl. handed weapon, hand weapon, shield, and bow. That's they way we play it in our group.
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Wyatt the Odd
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Posted: Saturday, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM
I actually own a spear (and two halberds, but I digress). One can easily carry three javelins as they are shorter and have a smaller diameter, but one would be hard-pressed to go into combat with three spears - except for the aforementioned spear-carrier (or ????????? if you speak Ancient Greek). Contemporary illustrations of Greek peltasts generally show them carrying three weapons.
How they came up with a longer throwing range for a spear over a javelin is beyond me. There's a reason why the sport is "javelin tossing" and not "spear chucking." The depiction of Ramesses III killing a Libyan implies that the spears were generally about the height of a man, we'll say 5-6 feet (1.5-2M). You're looking at a maximum range of about 12M with an effective range (ie; hitting a single target) of about 9-10M) Javelins could be up to two meters in length at the time, but they were generally shorter and the shaft smaller in diameter - say about half the diameter of a spear - and were weighted towards the front. For that reason and the shorter length, they weren't as good at melee combat... Would someone tell those Zulus to stop waving those assegai's around? They could hurt someone. Anyways, with a javelin, you're talking about a range of up to 30M with an effective range of 15-20M based on experiments with the Roman Pilum which was 2M long. For the record, the Roman Legionary carried a max of two javelins - a heavy one and a light one. In essence, the javelin should have twice the range of a thrown spear, but do less damage. Going back to the original question, I'd say that a spear-armed figure has one pole-arm, while a javelin-armed figure has three. Wyatt
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