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Offler
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Posted: Wednesday, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:30 AM Edited on 2013-08-14 05:34:36.0
We've had a few of these threads in the past, but let's not let ourselves be prisoners of history here .

MOAB 2013 will be held over the long weekend of 5 - 7 October, and Wargods does not feature as one of the competitions.

I think that we have two possible options available: we can explore the possibility of nominating as a competition or as a demo game. I think we'd be pushing it to get the first option going, but the second could be a viable and logical strategy in order to generate some interest before Cancon (at the very least). So to aske the obvious questions: Can we get commitments from Australasian members here to play so as to approach the Southern Battlegamers committee & get a late entry as a competition (and we'd need about a dozen totally committed players, imo), or would it be more feasible merely to present the game as a demo game & have a couple of days going nuts on glorious looking and themed terrain?

Does anybody have any other suggestions on how we can rise once more like the phoenix in the Australasian gaming community?

And who can commit to supporting any venture along any of these lines?

(I'll put my hand up straight away - the AFL season is done & I have no other wargaming focus any more - even though I sold off my Wargods' armies at MOAB 2012.) (And if anybody here does have my old Sebeki & Typhon & aren't using them, I'd be more than happy to buy them back. That was one very stoopid thang I did, and I'm missing both collections something fierce.)

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hazpak
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Posted: Thursday, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:55 AM
While the AFL season is done the orienteering season goes on - more than likely I'll be competing at the Nationals in ACT

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Pakhet
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Posted: Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:27 AM
Offler, are you sure you can commit to this? History says you haven't been very reliable regarding past tournaments.

Offler
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Posted: Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:30 AM
No I haven't. I've always had something else on, and at times I've been frustrated out of my brain by some aspects of the game (other than the actual game and figures). Mind you, there hasn't been a Wargods presence at any Sydney or Canberra tournament now in over a year now, so nobody else has really stepped up or gone out of their way to promote the game, huh?

I think that the game itself is outstanding, and if I can detect any sort of pulse in the gaming community here in eastern Australia, then I will invest the $600 or so required to raise a couple of warbands. We just renovated our home, so money's tight & it would be an utter waste of cash if I am to remain in my isolation down here in Sutho with two armies of extraordinary miniatures, a great set of rules, and nobody accessible or motivated to play.

So, in a nutshell, if the game's moribund hereabouts, I won't splash that cash. It's as easy as that.

What I was hoping to achieve with this thread was some sort of discussion as to how we can get the best gaming system & figure range in the hobby back into the Australasian gaming community's collective mindset. Are tournaments not a good path to follow, or should we go the way of public access games (which have to be on scenery of the standard of Barry's past works of art in order to generate interest from afar)?

And speaking honestly, one decline and one petty sniping in over a week since I posted are hardly harbingers of optimism, even though I've noticed many of the prime movers in the Australasian community passing through on these boards since my initial post. It does seem as though nobody's interested.

Oh well, c'est la guerre.

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hazpak
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Posted: Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:55 PM
Ahh a discussion then lets have at it.

Public access games are the way to go! Demo the hell out of it.. find a willing opponent get 2 armies and just play it in a public space. But that has to be balanced by availability! to be able to say to stores owners "x is the distributor in oz get this game in". Very little point in demoing a game that you can;t have someone walk away from it without a rulebook and starter set.

I see no reason why, along with the tournaments, we don't also do demo/participation games to grow the faithful. Well i do we want to play in the tourney. What we need is another Sandfly.. a promoter (one who won't be tempted by the wiles of polish women though - lol!) Tournaments are a great way for us to keep in touch but (at cancon at least) we are usually tucked away out of sight so get very little traffic!

As for the numbers. There were at least 9 (known to me) players in Newcastle at its zenith and to the best of my knowledge they still have their warbands (or at least i've not bought it from them yet). I have at some point got games organised for the local shop and have a willing opponent for the local games club. My trouble is timing - I have uni (again!) and a sport (for which nothing else takes precedence and i make no apologies for that) and i'm renovating 2 houses so i'm a little short of time. I actually was teeing up these games for during the kickstarter which goes to show how bad it is for me right now. Luckily though i already have several aegyptus warbands and all 3 of the available olypmpus ones so i'm ok from that front.

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marius
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Posted: Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:09 PM
I think demoing at either convention is the way to go. Possibly with a 1 day comp to allow people to play in it and to play other games.

Wargods is not a tournament game in the traditional sense. My view is it's a campagin game with far more in common with Mordheim or Necromunda than the usual tournament staples and doesn't lend itself to competitive tournaments. Given this I would play other systems at a tournament.

Wargods will always be a nieche game in the Oz wargaming community. I would be surprised if there were double figures of players at a tourney. The community is tiny.

I think you need a local gaming group to be involved with rather than usual tournament type gaming. Trying to get interest at a local club could be the answer. That said I don't see too many people dropping $150-$200 on a new game when other options are more easily available for $50-$100 with larger player bases (not a criticism just a view point).

There may be a few people who have jumped on the Olympus kickstarter locally (I know I have). Outside of this it is either difficult or expensive to get the models locally in Australia. Warpuppy is the only supplier I am aware of.

From a personal point of view my war gaming time is fairly packed at the moment with Blood Bowl, War machine and to a lesser extent Hell Dorado and Malifaux occupying my hobby time.

Oceanborn
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Posted: Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:49 PM
In my case I have had some fairly massive changes in my personal life, which means that attending tournaments other than Cancon can be very difficult (and the last year that I could've attended MOAB my family decided to schedule something that same weekend despite my request that it be earlier or later), as well as getting to the point where I thought it would be good for someone else to step up and run Cancon, which people have done. Up to this year we were regularly getting about 12 people turning up for Cancon, but this year many of the regular players were unable to attend due to various other commitments or emergency expenses, which meant that there were insufficient registrations a week out for it to be worthwhile running it..

Nebseni Hammerhand
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Posted: Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:58 PM
As far as running games at MOAB/Leviathan, the phrase 'if you build it, they will come' does not always work.

I don't know if I can be ready to do a demo at this year's MOAB. My painting's slowed down a lot this last 12 months and I don't have much Olympus stuff done.

If you do want to run a demo this year at MOAB, I can come along to support/play and Jac may be able to come for one day but it's in the middle of exam/final assignment time for her.

I do have plans on running a demo at Leviathan and MOAB next year with the new painted armies (We've got Trojans and Amazons on the way and cores that need expansion for Mycenans and Spartans to paint up, and want Titans...) A Spartan/Myceneans vs Titans demo/participation game on a suitably themed board would be an eye-catcher.

Jac has almost finished her degree and is looking for work and if she gets a job we will be at Cancon 2014 one way or another.

Offler
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:30 PM
All good positive stuff now.

Next question should then be: Olympus or AEgyptus as the basis for the demo games?

I love AEgyptus, but would happily get a Titans warband instead if it would help the demos at Leviathan and MOAB (2014 - I have Buckley's of getting anything sorted by this October). An Olympus mini-campaign run over a weekend could attract some attention, especially along the lines of the humans versus Titans concept Barry suggested.

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Akenatum
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Posted: Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:08 AM
Cross system is probably the way to go with a horde lightly armoured aegyptus army vs an elite heavily armoured olympus army (not titans) when it is in regards to demoing that would allow you to show off the difference between the two systems with their compatability... if it was set up for next year...

don't think anything will happen this year... I want games of wargods but being the only one to register at a couple of syd tourneys and not having the ability to get to cancon sucks.

Akenatum
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Posted: Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:08 AM
Cross system is probably the way to go with a horde lightly armoured aegyptus army vs an elite heavily armoured olympus army (not titans) when it is in regards to demoing that would allow you to show off the difference between the two systems with their compatability... if it was set up for next year...

don't think anything will happen this year... I want games of wargods but being the only one to register at a couple of syd tourneys and not having the ability to get to cancon sucks.

hazpak
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Posted: Monday, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:02 PM
I think olympus is the way to go. But having said that there are compelling reasons to not and go aegyptus. There is obviously a greater model range for aegyptus meaning a larger variety of units to show off (the olympus range only has 2-3 factions with more than the opening wave of releases scheduled ~ only titans, spartans and trojans have enough specialists slated for release so far)

The important thing is of course having a retailer on board at the demo location to stock models that the consumer has a chance to go buy once seeing the game. its pointless having the demo without the ability to have people grab a few models for themselves.

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Fenrihr
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Posted: Tuesday, Sep 03, 2013 at 8:14 PM Edited on 2013-09-03 20:19:34.0
Discussion is good

As one of the organisers for Cancon, I can say that we have always have between 10 and 16 players (varies a bit over the years) who have played. Last Cancon (Jan 2013) was the first time, in almost a decade, where we have had to cancel the Wargods tournament... and it was purely due to lack of numbers. However, we are confident that the reasons were a one-off set of unusual circumstances – a perfect storm if you like. Planning for Cancon 2014 is already well advanced.

I also know that Nebseni has been wanting to run tournaments at both Leviathan and MOAB. While he has had problems with dwindling numbers in the past, I understand that he would be happy to put the effort in, and make these happen again, if the community wants it. However, the community as a whole (myself included) needs to put its money where its mouth is.

In both cases, we run our tournaments along similar lines – drawing on Wargods strengths as a story-telling/campaign style of play, and creating a mini-campaign in a weekend, as opposed to a strict climbing the ladder tournament.

So the games are out there, if the Wargods community wants to play them. So, given all the talk about numbers of players out there interesting in finding games, how are we missing them?

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Fenrihr
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Posted: Tuesday, Sep 03, 2013 at 8:15 PM
As to Olympus vrs Ægyptus, I say a melding of them both. While most people tend to be more familiar with Greek mythology over Egyptian, we also need to acknowledge that the game was born in Ægyptus. And while the recent Kickstarter has given a renewed interest in our game, with promise of what is to come, it is the Ægyptus rules and warbands that are currently published.

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hazpak
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Posted: Wednesday, Sep 04, 2013 at 7:19 AM
I know I'm already in the planning stages for my warband for cancon :) multiple lists of multiple points values

My problem is deciding which warband.. Sobeki, totanam, bast, pure Asar grrrrrr

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Oceanborn
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Posted: Wednesday, Sep 04, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Titans :-P

I have to find time for painting before Cancon methinks.

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