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Alcibia
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Posted: Saturday, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:18 AM
well as long as you are considering alternate poses or details for the Oracle and Helen, I guess I will be happy!

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Posted: Saturday, Dec 14, 2013 at 8:17 PM
That's cool! If I wasn't in the KS I'd be happy to get an alternate version. You're just too darn good at this sculpting marlarky!

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Posted: Sunday, Dec 15, 2013 at 6:22 PM
That is a genius sculpt, I just love it.

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Well worth the wait!

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Posted: Sunday, Dec 22, 2013 at 4:16 AM
Looks great!

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Posted: Monday, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:22 AM
I noticed you processed my latest order on New Year's Day! Sorry you had to work on a holiday, but since you were working, you must have some Kickstarter news for us, don't you? (anything at all?)

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Posted: Monday, Jan 06, 2014 at 12:32 PM Edited on 2014-01-06 12:38:56.0
Happy New Year everyone!

The latest greens from Todd have arrived, the Peltasts!

Their shield arms are all separate pieces, similar to the Spartan and Trojan Peltasts.

WarGods Peltasts

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Posted: Monday, Jan 06, 2014 at 12:35 PM
YES!

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Posted: Tuesday, Jan 07, 2014 at 10:28 AM
ooOOooooOOOOH!

I like those!

This just keeps getting better and better!

-Alex

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Posted: Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:22 AM
So, what's up for this week's update? Some new Amazon greens? Or how about showing us what Trojan shields you decided to put into production. That way, those of us who pledged for Trojans can start day dreaming about what shield options we may choose once the shipping starts. But I will, of course, enjoy seeing anything you are willing to share!

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Posted: Thursday, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:02 PM
The new update should be ready tomorrow. Good idea on the Trojan shields, we'll get a compiled photo of all of them and add it to the update.

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Posted: Friday, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:00 AM
That's going to start my weekend nicely! Looking forward to the update. : )

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM Edited on 2014-01-19 17:43:27.0
Still working on the shield images for the update, but here's a preview of a Trojan we've not shown off before... the Trojan Captain!

He'll come with a couple more options for his hand - a spear and a sword. The idea with him was to make him look like he could be leading a unit or riding in a chariot. Hope you guys like him!

(Edited: I just realized I called him the Hero, this is the Captain model! Updated the photo with the correct title.)

Trojan Hero

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM
Fancy! I am getting so excited for Trojans!

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM
Looks great Chris

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:49 PM
of course he looks great, is he second hero choice? how does this one fit in? we did see one Trojan hero quite a while ago (still pictured on the Kickstarter page), so which one comes with the orders we placed, or is this the Tragic Hero we will see this summer?

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM Edited on 2014-01-19 17:44:16.0
Alcibia said:
of course he looks great, is he second hero choice? how does this one fit in? we did see one Trojan hero quite a while ago (still pictured on the Kickstarter page), so which one comes with the orders we placed, or is this the Tragic Hero we will see this summer?
Each faction has a Captain (Champion) and a Hero.

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 04, 2014 at 12:30 AM
Hey guys, any updates?

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 04, 2014 at 8:34 AM
How about the Trojan Shields? Based on past comments, the Trojans should be in production either now or shortly, time to start putting our orders together for shipping?

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Posted: Wednesday, Feb 05, 2014 at 10:51 PM Edited on 2014-02-07 23:46:37.0
With the Trojan sculptures all complete and at the moldmaker, work has now moved on to the Amazons!

Here are the other 2 variations for the Amazon warriors, without helmets. (The rear-rank-no-helmet is already complete, visible on the Kickstarter page). This completes all the models for the basic unit, with the characters still to go.

The torsos for the Peltasts and Archers are also all done, and these will be going to our moldmaker this week to be made into intermediates. For those curious about the sculpting process, I'll post some pics of these tomorrow (we'll be having a Kickstarter Update then too.)

Here are the latest ladies:

Amazons without helmets

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Posted: Wednesday, Feb 05, 2014 at 11:03 PM
Cheers Chris, they look great.

At this stage is there a rough estimate of when these girls will be done?

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Posted: Thursday, Feb 06, 2014 at 1:18 AM
Looking good. Can't wait for July to get the full Olympus book.

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Posted: Thursday, Feb 06, 2014 at 3:47 AM
Sweet. Moving forward is always good.

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Posted: Thursday, Feb 06, 2014 at 5:53 AM
As the Amazons are what my Olympian pledge is made up of I'm very happy with these and the other Amazon's that have been shown. Huzzah!!!!

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Posted: Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 12:34 PM
I am older now, and easily confused, but I am pretty sure this quote from Wednesday would mean that yesterday would have been tomorrow, but is today tomorrow? was yesterday tomorrow? what day is tomorrow? or for that matter, what day is today?

"The torsos for the Peltasts and Archers are also all done, and these will be going to our moldmaker this week to be made into intermediates. For those curious about the sculpting process, I'll post some pics of these tomorrow (we'll be having a Kickstarter Update then too.)"

Anything you can share regardless of what day it is?

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Posted: Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:07 AM
I was not happy with the last 2 Amazons posted, so I did a bit more work on them and updated the picture in my last post. (Basically gave them both the sleeved tunic, and added the sword-arm on the front-rank instead of the spear.)

The Kickstarter update is taking a bit longer than expected, but we'll have it out this weekend. In the mean-time, here's another green that has just rolled off the assembly-line:

Amazon Casualty

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Posted: Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:57 AM
Sweet looking model Chris the Women of Olympus are really looking awesome.

Oh and by the way I played a game last night against an Amazon Warband being lead by a Daughter of Ares.

Wow talk about tough, two units of slingers with a Misc rating of 5 is brutal. And with the special rule "Hatred of Men" all the Amazons had an Attack rating of 5. Also the Battle Honor Spear Sisters is really wick after two rounds of melee with my Corinthian phalanx. The Sisters had lost enough warriors to have a +3 damage modifier. My phalanx did not last to long after that. But it was a great game and a great opponent. Thanks Joe (Akori)

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Posted: Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 8:30 AM
You are making me a very happy chappy Chris! Well done. : )

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Posted: Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 12:09 AM
Cracking stuff! Looking forward to these :-D

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Posted: Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 4:42 PM
Chris as always, appreciate the update and they look great.

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Posted: Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:28 AM
Great work!

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Posted: Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM
Amazon progress continues!

For those who like to see some insight into how some of these are being sculpted, I've snapped a couple photos of the Amazon Peltasts/Archer models 'in-progress'. I'm doing these using a time-saving technique by making 'intermediates' of their legs/torsos, getting castings made of these parts, and then sculpting onto the castings to make the completed models.

There's going to be 8 different models using these 2 intermediates - with means I save myself having to sculpt an additional 6 legs/torsos. This may not seem like a lot, but that is probably a couple weeks of sculpting saved right there! The finished models will all have a different look, of course, with unique heads/weapons, arm poses, etc.

Here's a photo of the 2 intermediates:

Amazon progress 1

And here's a photo of one of these cast, with the master casting right next to the original. Halfway there with another Amazon!

Amazon progress 2

I'll post more progress on these in a few weeks, when I get castings of both back from our moldmaker.

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Posted: Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 3:23 PM
Here's another sculpt to show off... the Amazon Peltast Captain!

I spent a looooong weekend, working late to finish this one. Her shield/javelin arm is a separate piece, and will be compatible/interchangeable with all of the other Amazon Peltasts. I'm not sure I like the 'eagle-claw' motif on the shield, so it may be a different image on the finished miniature (if I come up with something I like better.) Other ideas may include the moon, flying bird, spiked boss, or something geometric.

Hope you guys like her!

Amazon Petast Captain

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Posted: Monday, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:15 PM
You Sir are awesome. Great work Chris thanks for the update.

Tony

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:05 AM
Great sculpts as always

These pics again show me it was the right thing to pledge for this kickstarter (the first I ever took part).

cheers Thomas

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM
Chris, looks great and thanks for the update.

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:48 PM
Really looking forward to getting these and the wendigo on the table now!

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:11 AM
We are not going to see Trojans in production this month either are we?

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Posted: Tuesday, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:49 PM
Alcibia said:
We are not going to see Trojans in production this month either are we?
Guys, I am happy to answer questions like this, but this thread is show off and discuss the new sculpts. If you have questions that are not on this topic (about the greens), it would be better to post them in their own thread.

To answer the question - sorry no, we are still waiting for the last of the production molds to be completed. Our moldmaker was down with the flu for the first part of the month, so we're further behind than anticipated. Believe me, we want to get these to our backers ASAP, so as soon as we have all the molds, we'll get it underway and it should go quite quickly. In the mean-time, work continues on the Amazons, and we should have some new pics to show off this weekend.

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Progress continues on the Amazons... I'm heading to our moldmaker's tomorrow to pick up the castings of the conversion bodies for the peltasts and archers. Ready to go are a forest of javelins and shield arms - as soon as I have the bodies I'll post some more pics 'assembled', before the second round of sculpting starts on them.

Peltast Bits

Just completed is the Amazon armor rack... I'm considering adding a shield or javelin as well. Once we have all of the citystates complete, these are going to make an awesome armory!

Amazon Armor

The Honor Guard is nearing completion so we should be able to show off the first model this week.

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Posted: Monday, Mar 03, 2014 at 4:18 PM
Nice work Chris.

Really appreciate the updates.

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Awesome as always sir.

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Posted: Friday, Mar 07, 2014 at 8:25 AM
Here we have the first of the Amazon Honor Guards. There will be a second, who will be holding the polearm in her other hand - so they'll look cool when placed on either side of Penthesilea.

She still has a bit of cleanup to do, and possibly some more trophies hanging from her polearm, but she's basically finished except for her slotta-tab.

Hope you guys like her!

Amazon Honor Guard

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Posted: Friday, Mar 07, 2014 at 8:49 AM
Nice, the only problem I see is that I haven't included them in my Kickstarter list........... ;-)

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Posted: Friday, Mar 07, 2014 at 9:35 AM
as usual, jaw-dropping. however, have you considered an alternate arm? one without a severed head?That grisly trohpy may make the miniature a bit limited for diorama work.

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Posted: Friday, Mar 07, 2014 at 9:38 AM
Alcibia said:
as usual, jaw-dropping. however, have you considered an alternate arm? one without a severed head?That grisly trohpy may make the miniature a bit limited for diorama work.
She's a one-piece model, but the other Honorguard will not be holding a head.

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Posted: Friday, Mar 07, 2014 at 11:27 AM
OK, thanks.

I know this is not the right place to make this statement, but I got a surprise Amazon casting in my last order, and wow, just wow. I am so glad I went for both the Trojan's and Amazons!

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Posted: Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 9:30 AM
Sweeeeeeeeeet!

Can't wait to get painting on these!

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Posted: Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 7:44 PM
Are we still looking at july for the book or has that been put back?

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Posted: Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 5:09 PM
As others have said, lovely work Chris.

Updates are great.

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Posted: Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:37 AM
Since it seems that the exclusives have been finished I was wondering if the Spartans have been shipped out yet.

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Posted: Thursday, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:26 PM
I hope that my last post didn't sound rude. I have wanted to play with Spartans since I started Wargods.

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Posted: Thursday, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM
GoldenSpat said:
Since it seems that the exclusives have been finished I was wondering if the Spartans have been shipped out yet.
Nope, we still need the production mold for Helen to fill any of the $160+ rewards. The minis are at our moldmaker now though, so it should be happening very soon.

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Posted: Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM
OK, thanks. I can't wait, all of the sculpts look stellar, they all have such character.

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Posted: Thursday, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:16 AM
It is now March 20, 2014. Got anything new to show us?

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Alicibia I sure wouldn't want to work for you ,you probably have the people that work for you manacled to there desk. Lol but like to see a pic soon

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Love the peltast bits ,will be making a a baggage train and theses would be great to fill a wagon another with anvil and armor and one more with wine barrels

Love and respect Jon

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Posted: Friday, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:05 AM
We are putting together a new update, it will be going out this weekend. Stay tuned!

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Posted: Friday, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM Edited on 2014-03-21 08:05:37.0
That's great to hear

Have to say as a newcomer to the site and forum it is not at all clear what will be available when.

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Posted: Monday, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:34 AM
The archer captains from Todd are starting to arrive! First up is the Corinthian Captain, seen below. He's working now on the Spartan and Mycenaean Captains, which we should be seeing soon. I'll be doing the Captain for the Athenians, but he's a bit further down the list...

Corinth Archers

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Amazing sculpts as always

I was hoping though for a bit of a schedule of what figures will be available in the near future and when, both to KS/Paypal donators and others who are simply wowed by the tempting sculpts and wondering when they can buy them?

I should point out I am not particularly interested in playing the WarGods games, although I am sure it will be amazing, I am just after figures to spice up my Ancient Greek wargaming army.

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Looking good guys!

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Heck yeah. Corinth is started up. Bring on the rest of that city state looking awesome btw

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Heck yeah. Corinth is started up. Bring on the rest of that city state looking awesome btw

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Agree looking good guys.

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Posted: Tuesday, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:21 AM
I feel like I have my nose pressed against a shop window not knowing when it will be open.

Perhaps I will come back in 6 months and maybe by then there will be something to buy?

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Posted: Tuesday, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:36 PM
armchair said:
I feel like I have my nose pressed against a shop window not knowing when it will be open.

Perhaps I will come back in 6 months and maybe by then there will be something to buy?

Sorry for the delay on your answer, these minis are part of our Kickstarter program - we've been showing them off here as we get them all completed. They won't be available through retail until after book gets printed (estimated late summer). Sorry for any confusion, there is a lot of information about all this, but it is scattered throughout the Kickstarter program page, and because the program funding period is over we can't update the main page.

We're actually prepping for the second wave of fulfillment now (the Trojans), and the Demigods have already shipped. If you are wanting to join the program, you can through the Paypal pledging system - it is still open, and will be until we start casting the Trojan orders (which will be very soon.)

If you have other questions, please email Debs at sales@crocodilegames.com and she'll try to help.

--Fitz

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Thanks for the reply.

It is a shame all these figures are tied in with the rule book. As I mentioned above I wanted them for my Ancient Greek army for gaming Hail Caesar

I have already donated a sum via paypal in the hope of receiving a unit of 12 Amazon peltasts. It sounds like it will be 6 months before I receive them

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I'm curious if there will be the chance to get the mercenary hoplites added to our pledges?

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Corinth minis look great. Great sculpts from Todd. As always.

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Posted: Monday, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:07 AM Edited on 2014-03-31 13:54:22.0
OK, here's an in-progress shot of some of the Amazon Peltasts and an Archer.

The Archer is completed, and the Peltasts are nearly there - they just need their correct shield arms (I stuck one of the warrior shields on the center model, but the finished models will all come with shield/javelin arms just like the Peltast captain posted a couple weeks back. These arms are all already complete, but they are at the moldmaker, and so not available for the photo!)

Peltasts and Archer

So where are we with the Amazons? Let's do a quick run-down:

Completed: Warriors with spear & shield (all completed), Peltast Captain, Peltasts (2 of 3 poses completed), Archers (1 of 3 poses completed), Hero, 1 Honor Guard, Casualty, Armor Rack, Sword Sprue

Still to go: Amazon Champion, 1 remaining Peltast pose (in progress), 2 Archers, 1 Archer Captain (in progress), Penthesilea (in progress), Herald & Musician, 1 Honor Guard conversion

If everything goes well I should have all of the Peltasts and Archers wrapped up this weekend.

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Thanks a lot for the pics chris. The models are awesome, as usual :-))

These are the kind of minis I joined that kickstarter business in the first place.

cheers Thomas

P.S. I really like this complete overview about the state of the sculpting process.

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Chris

Appreciate the update. Looking forward to these girls.

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Awesome! Can't wait!

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Best yet, they are GORGEOUS!!!

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These are great. Can't wait to convert some...

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AWSOME!!!!!!!!! Thanks Chris! : )

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Whoops, I meant AWESOME!!!!!

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Any more updates on Trojan production or shipping?

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Amazon Archers complete!

All of their quivers are a separate piece that contains a quiver & sword. I may do another variant that has some grisly trophies as well, like scalps or a severed head.

Amazon Archers

As for the Trojan production, we're working on the details today, and should be posting an overall Update on the kickstarter page in the next 24 hours - production is almost ready to begin!

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Stunning!

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Simply stunning.

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Yowza! They are bril!!!

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It has been a long time since I managed to pop into this tread, but man, am I glad I pledged for Amazons and Corinthians... they look awesome!

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Just checking in to see if there are any updates

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We're currently packing thousands of Trojans, so no greens update this week.

I'll be back on the sculpts as soon as we get these out the door!

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wish you were packing mine.. but i'm waiting on the amazons as well :(

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Not a problem Chris, glad to see things progressing.

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Love the Amazons! Can't wait to see them in stores.

I'm really wondering on the status of the rules and the rulebook. Would love an update on that. Once that is available I feel I actually have a chance of getting more people into this game. Until then, I'll enjoy the nice new minis...by myself.

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Posted: Wednesday, Apr 30, 2014 at 1:01 AM
Mordante said:
Love the Amazons! Can't wait to see them in stores.

I'm really wondering on the status of the rules and the rulebook. Would love an update on that. Once that is available I feel I actually have a chance of getting more people into this game. Until then, I'll enjoy the nice new minis...by myself.

Work is progressing on the book, especially on the art front. We've been focusing on the minis in the Kickstarter updates, as those were promised first, but once we deliver the Trojans and the Amazons we'll have lots of updates on book progress. (We'd just get a lot of grouchy backers if we were posting book stuff and the minis were still unfinished -- so first things first!)

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Lol if you think you have grouchy backers you should check out another kickstarter I backed. Keep up the good work.

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If I need to change the address that my models are shipped to who should I contact?

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Hahaha, Greg is right!

The Kickstarter we backed ended 30 days before this one and had Dec 2013 delivery dates. Croc has already started shipping some of their Kickstarter Gear, while the other Kickstarter does not even have a light at the end of the tunnel. They can't seem to get their most iconic miniature, the Valkyrie, done properly. 5 months after they were supposed to have shipped the game and they are still going back and forth with the mini manufacturer about the designs... we'll be getting that game in 2015!

People are pissed!

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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 at 12:21 PM
GoldenSpat said:
If I need to change the address that my models are shipped to who should I contact?
You can message us through Kickstarter, or email us at sales@crocodilegames.com

Please let us know as soon as possible, we are shipping the first of the Trojan rewards this week.

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Akori said:
Hahaha, Greg is right!

The Kickstarter we backed ended 30 days before this one and had Dec 2013 delivery dates. Croc has already started shipping some of their Kickstarter Gear, while the other Kickstarter does not even have a light at the end of the tunnel. They can't seem to get their most iconic miniature, the Valkyrie, done properly. 5 months after they were supposed to have shipped the game and they are still going back and forth with the mini manufacturer about the designs... we'll be getting that game in 2015!

People are pissed!

I chose not to back that one because I thought they were being overly optimistic in their delivery dates...mind you, I also expected the Croc one to run behind due to being quite successful (and putting more work on Osiris's desk). But then I also add 6 months to the estimated delivery date of any gaming related Kickstarter now as all the ones I've backed have been late.

So far Croc is a bit late with the Trojans and Amazons, but we still have 3 months before they're late with the rulebook

That said, I know that they'll deliver and they have been keeping us reasonably well updated

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Just got the email update to confirm my address in preparation for the shipment of the Trojans! Awesome!

For the record, I participated in two other kickstarters that started before this one, and to date I have yet to see anything from them. As far as I am concerned, it is all good, cause the Sons of Troy will be here soon! Thanks for Chris and Debs for all your hard work.

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Hektor said:
Just got the email update to confirm my address in preparation for the shipment of the Trojans! Awesome!
Hope I get one of those soon!

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Wolf said:
Hektor said:
Just got the email update to confirm my address in preparation for the shipment of the Trojans! Awesome!
Hope I get one of those soon!
And I just did! Yay!

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Click-n-ship notification just showed up! Can't wait!

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Hey Chris, have you got any progress on penetheslia at all?

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Shipping notice arrived! Excited doesn't begin to describe it.

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Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM Edited on 2014-05-14 17:03:49.0
She is threatening to open it herself, that will not do

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My wife called to tell me there is a parcel from Fitz at the house. Sure bet it's the Trojans. Suddenly the chances of me staying late to finish this project at work tonight have begun to seriously diminish... ;)

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Hektor said:
She is threatening to open it herself, that will not do
"Fly you fool!"

Run home man, run home now!

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Wolf said:
Hektor said:
She is threatening to open it herself, that will not do
"Fly you fool!"

Run home man, run home now!

Ha! I did just that! Fortunately she didn't make good on her threat.

They are outstanding. I know that is no surprise, but still has to be said. Going through them now. A lot to absorb. Helen is brilliant, concept art brought to life. I have no idea how I'm going to do the model justice, but it's going to be fun trying.

The demigods rock. Hephaestus' pics appeared big and strong but in person he's even more powerful looking than I expected. Demigod of Poseidon is ace.

Aeneas (though I will be using him as Hektor - no surprise there!) is probably my favorite of the lot. Fantastic.

One happy camper here. Great work, Fitz and Debs!

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Mighty Ares has received his Trojans. Mighty Ares will build and paint these warriors with as much excitement as when he is at war, killing and slaughtering. Mighty Ares has spoken!

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I have had one Kickstarter that actually shipped ahead of time (one month before the target), all others have been delayed, many by more than six months. As long as the communication is OK, I do not mind it.

All that being said, since I am receiving Corithians, Amazons and almost anything non-aligned, I am not expecting anything before the turn of this year. Knowing Fitz's quality, I will rahter wait a few weeks or months longer then miss said quality!

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Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM
I envy you guys who have already got their parcels a bit ;-) I have to wait until the Amazones and even the Automatons are done.

Maybe you can show round a few pictures of your first painted samples or so, please....

cheers Thomas

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Posted: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 12:34 AM
powerfrog99 said:
Maybe you can show round a few pictures of your first painted samples or so, please....

cheers Thomas

Planning to do exactly that. I am knee-deep in Samurai for Ronin right now for an upcoming weekend bash. Arrival of the Trojans took me by surprise and I have to finish what is on the painting table right now first. As soon as they are done, the Trojans go up next. Though I daresay my paint scheme won't stray too far from what Debs did. I like it pretty much exactly as is.

Not really sure how I am going to approach the Demigods yet. Going to try to tie them into the Trojan paint scheme if I can.

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Posted: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 11:18 AM
"Planning to do exactly that."

That sounds great

thanks, Thomas

P.S. First in first out on the painting table, I have the same attidude, but often fail when it comes to new stuff....

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Well my USPS tracker says my Trojans were delivered this morning to my work address. And I am off work today! Guess I'll be making a trip in to work after all...

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Wolf said:
Well my USPS tracker says my Trojans were delivered this morning to my work address. And I am off work today! Guess I'll be making a trip in to work after all...
Now that is an unpleasant coincidence!

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Went to work and got my Trojans. Totally excited but disappointed too. Not because of the Trojans, but because we are packing up to move house so I won't get to play with my wonderful new toys for a while.

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Received my Trojans and they are just amazing the extra sculpts well the photos don't do them any justice, and neither can I adequately describe how wonderful the sculpting is. Now I wish I could have afforded at the time all the factions, however as soon as they are available I'm in for them all. Paul

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Great to hear some of you guys have started getting your Trojans! I'm now back at the sculpting table, and working on the next Kickstarter update (should be ready tomorrow).

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I absolutely love the progress the Croc had been making through this Kickstarter! I didn't purchase any of the Trojan units but I can't wait to get my Amazons and wait patiently for the accolades to pour in from everyone who hasn't already played this outstanding Wargods game system! You have my full support and admiration Fitz!

Very Respectfully, KEVIN (Now in Liverpool, NY)

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So, how are those Spartan's coming?

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So, how are those Spartan's coming?
Goon news for Sparta fans - we just received the last Spartan sculpt needed for their rewards - the Spartan Archer Captain. Todd did a great job on him, I'll be shooting photos of him for this weekend's update. (It is coming, I'm just trying to wrap up an Amazon sculpt to include in the update as well. )

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Hi all,

I received my Trojans this week.

It is hard to comment on the figures without saying something that hasn't been said before, or is known to the visitors of this forum anyway. Besides Fitz's magnificent scupting, it may be mentioned that the casting and material used is also of the finest quality.

Since I'm not gaming but collecting the figures, questions like the number of different poses, alternative weapon arms etc. matter much to me. Thus, I thought I'll give a short review of the Trojan warband for those who are still waiting for their stuff.

Aeneas & Honor Guards (2): Aeneas is bigger than the "normal" Trojans. Being a son of Aphrodite, is he technically a "Demigod of Aphrodite"? The crest of his helmet is sculpted like a stylized horse head, a nice detail adding to the faction identity flair. The (two different) honor guards are armed with swords and shield. While their shields have a different shape, their star decoration nicely matches that of Aeneas' shield.

Captain (& Casualty): The Captain has a separate weapon hand sprue, with choice of spear, javelin and sword. Shield with a horse motif, but different from spearman unit.

Hero (& Armor Rack): Separate weapon arm sprue with spear or sword to chose from. Again a different shield with horse motif.

Archer unit: A Captain and 11 archers in 3 different poses.

Peltast unit: A Captain and 11 peltasts in 3 different poses. Shield hands separate, with two different types (one or two spare javelins in hand).

Spearman unit: A musician with trumpet and bare head, a standard bearer with dagger and vexillum type standard, the pole ending in a horse head (another nice detail). The ranks come in three types, hind rank with upright spears (2 poses, 4 total), mid rank with slightly inclined spears (also 2 poses 4 total), and front rank with separate spear arms (2 different per sprue). What surprised me was the fact that the 4 front rank spearmen come in 4 different poses!!! Some of the differences are subtle, so it took me a moment to realize it.

For all units, I found that the numbers of figures for the different poses are as close to being equal as possible (e.g. 4:4:3 for archers and peltasts). This could be good luck, but I actually suspect this to be the result of considerate packing (thank you, Debs!).

Overall, I'm more than pleased with the delivery. I just hope you'll keep that high standard with the other factions.

Best wishes, Frank

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Good reveiw sir! I have no doubt the rest of the factions will be up to the high standard Chris & Deb have set for Wargods. : )

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Posted: Sunday, Jun 08, 2014 at 6:08 AM
Osiris said:
GoldenSpat said:
So, how are those Spartan's coming?
Goon news for Sparta fans - we just received the last Spartan sculpt needed for their rewards - the Spartan Archer Captain. Todd did a great job on him, I'll be shooting photos of him for this weekend's update. (It is coming, I'm just trying to wrap up an Amazon sculpt to include in the update as well. )
Awesome news ... Though I think I still need to wait for the Mycenaean captain to fill my pledge order

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Here's a big pic of the Sparta Archer Captain, posed with his recruits! Great sculpting courtesy of Todd Harris!

Sparta Archers

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Awesome sculpt! Can't wait!

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Oh my! Great sculpt for the Captain! However, this update just helped me to realize that I overlooked both the Spartan and the Mycenaean archer captains in my add on selection I take it that the generic archers will be the same for Athens and Corinth, with a specific captain attached for each? Or will they be getting "city state" specific archers as the Trojans and Amazons have?

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Here are some in-progress shots of the Automaton Hoplite. He's about 90% done, just need to add a few details (hands, etc), and make an alternate head and sword arm.

Automaton Hoplite

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Great looking figure Chris can not wait to field this guy.

Thanks Nocal Tony

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Spartan captain looks great, and that automaton...fantastic. How will those work? Are they summoned by the Demigod of Hephaestus? How many can you take in a warband? (Please tell me it's a whole phalanx) ;)

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Posted: Tuesday, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:23 AM
Hektor said:
Spartan captain looks great, and that automaton...fantastic. How will those work? Are they summoned by the Demigod of Hephaestus? How many can you take in a warband? (Please tell me it's a whole phalanx) ;)
Demigods of Hephaestus can include Automatons. Right now the Hoplite works as a single character, but I'm considering trying to incorporate them into a unit if I can make the rules balance out. We'll see...

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Wow, just wow!

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Nice looking stuff.

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A further thought, Chris is it possible to get a list of the things that have been completed and the status of other items for the kickstarter. Know you guys are working as fast as you can on this.

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update?

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I would like everything in production to be put on the Online Store with a Kickstarter release date and an available to purchase date - ideally with a picture

Alot to ask I know

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Posted: Thursday, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM
OK, the first version of the Hoplite is complete, and his little pet is done too!

Automatons - Hoplite and Hound

Once I get these back from our moldmaker I'll do an alternate head & sword arm for the Hoplite. Just need to finish the Bronze Bull automaton and they'll all be done!

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Awesome work on the Automatons, sir. Always nice to see progress on this project.

I thought of something earlier that I was curious about. With the side work you were putting into the generic/mercenary hoplites are there any plans for generic leaders for the missile troops somewhere down the line? It seems that those would be useful not only for the generic city states but also for those wanting diversity in their main faction armies.

Keep up the good work guys. I am loving everything coming out of this kickstarter process.

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Excellent news on the automatons.. does the moldmaker trip mean amazons have progressed?

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armchair said:
I would like everything in production to be put on the Online Store with a Kickstarter release date and an available to purchase date - ideally with a picture

Alot to ask I know

Second this question. Any idea on when the new minis will be available on the web site? I knew when I made my initial kickstarter pledge that I would regret not picking up Athena, Hekate, and Hades so I'd like to add them to my collection as soon as I can. Likewise the option of buying some additional shields. I like uniformity in my units and heroes usually so I am thinking about swapping some out.

Thanks!

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Posted: Saturday, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM
Lovely! Really glad I have them in my pledge / add-on!

One question (since I have a all at once delivery with items that are supposed to be done last)… how are you doing schedule wise? I assume you are not on schedule anymore (no problems with that, I rather want the usual quality than something fast), but it would be good to know how much.

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Posted: Monday, Jun 23, 2014 at 1:56 AM
Got my notice today that the first part of my pledge has shipped.

Can not wait to see them.

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Posted: Monday, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:47 AM
We've lots of progress reports on the models, which looks like it is going along nicely. But, what about the book?

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2014 at 5:31 AM
Since Todd Harris has delivered on the captains of the Spartans and Mycenaeans (and multiple other models) - How is he going with the Corinthians? He was supposedly starting them at the end of the kickstarter (according to update 10) so i'm a little curious.

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Posted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 7:57 AM
Actually I have another question!

I was reviewing the kickstarter is live thread and stumbled on Chris talking about Mycenaean Peltasts not being available til after the kickstarter fulfillment is over.. Does the introduction of the Mycenaean peltast captain mean we might get them earlier (since they were conversions of trojans and not as i thought the universal ones)

I am curious as i put them down as part of the survey (since they were on the pledge manager). If not will my stuff not ship until after the fulfillment is done??

And before its suggested I can't afford to split as i am in the wonderful land of OZ

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 08, 2014 at 1:43 PM Edited on 2014-07-08 13:45:21.0
hazpak said:
I was reviewing the kickstarter is live thread and stumbled on Chris talking about Mycenaean Peltasts not being available til after the kickstarter fulfillment is over.. Does the introduction of the Mycenaean peltast captain mean we might get them earlier (since they were conversions of trojans and not as i thought the universal ones)

I am curious as i put them down as part of the survey (since they were on the pledge manager). If not will my stuff not ship until after the fulfillment is done??

Mycenaean Peltasts are part of the universal Peltasts sets - so they'll have universal warriors and a captain specific to their citystate. The universal Peltasts and Archers are now all done, we're just waiting on the molds and they'll go into production... we should have these next, right before the Amazons.

Todd has started the Corinthians, we've already shown their Archer Captain a few weeks back. I'll show off the Peltast Captain soon as well.

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 08, 2014 at 1:50 PM
Hektor said:
armchair said:
I would like everything in production to be put on the Online Store with a Kickstarter release date and an available to purchase date - ideally with a picture

Alot to ask I know

Second this question. Any idea on when the new minis will be available on the web site? I knew when I made my initial kickstarter pledge that I would regret not picking up Athena, Hekate, and Hades so I'd like to add them to my collection as soon as I can. Likewise the option of buying some additional shields. I like uniformity in my units and heroes usually so I am thinking about swapping some out.

Thanks!

Most of the Kickstarter stuff won't be going onto the online store for some time. Our first priority is to our backers, to get them all the stuff they are waiting on, and retail releases will follow after. If there is something you missed or want to add, just email us and we can take care of it for you directly.

The one exception to this is the Mycenaean & Spartan Peltasts and Archers, we'll likely put them into the store once they are in production, as the rest of the Sparta/Mycenae ranges have already been released, and there are plenty of folks with 1/2 completed armies who need them.

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 08, 2014 at 3:58 PM
Osiris said:
Hektor said:
armchair said:
I would like everything in production to be put on the Online Store with a Kickstarter release date and an available to purchase date - ideally with a picture

Alot to ask I know

Second this question. Any idea on when the new minis will be available on the web site? I knew when I made my initial kickstarter pledge that I would regret not picking up Athena, Hekate, and Hades so I'd like to add them to my collection as soon as I can. Likewise the option of buying some additional shields. I like uniformity in my units and heroes usually so I am thinking about swapping some out.

Thanks!

Most of the Kickstarter stuff won't be going onto the online store for some time. Our first priority is to our backers, to get them all the stuff they are waiting on, and retail releases will follow after. If there is something you missed or want to add, just email us and we can take care of it for you directly.

The one exception to this is the Mycenaean & Spartan Peltasts and Archers, we'll likely put them into the store once they are in production, as the rest of the Sparta/Mycenae ranges have already been released, and there are plenty of folks with 1/2 completed armies who need them.

Sorry didn't mean put on the online store for sale. I just meant put it on their with a date when available or even just "Coming soon"

Although I have read many posts on this forum and been through the website it is still not clear what the entirety is of what you have planned/what's coming. Putting everything coming on the online store is just a good way to organise everything for ease of perusal so that we can keep checking back to see things gradually become available.

This is especially the case for a casual visitors who would visit the online store rather than trawl through the forum. You could hook them with some pictures of your amazing and tempting sculpts so they would keep coming back to see when you could buy them.

A good example are the Amazons. They always seem to be popular with wargamers but there isn't a decent range out there really.

Just think you are missing a trick.

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 08, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Osiris said:
hazpak said:
I was reviewing the kickstarter is live thread and stumbled on Chris talking about Mycenaean Peltasts not being available til after the kickstarter fulfillment is over.. Does the introduction of the Mycenaean peltast captain mean we might get them earlier (since they were conversions of trojans and not as i thought the universal ones)

I am curious as i put them down as part of the survey (since they were on the pledge manager). If not will my stuff not ship until after the fulfillment is done??

Mycenaean Peltasts are part of the universal Peltasts sets - so they'll have universal warriors and a captain specific to their citystate. The universal Peltasts and Archers are now all done, we're just waiting on the molds and they'll go into production... we should have these next, right before the Amazons.

Todd has started the Corinthians, we've already shown their Archer Captain a few weeks back. I'll show off the Peltast Captain soon as well.

Excellent news :)

I must have missed the archer captain... off to search this topic

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 08, 2014 at 7:04 PM
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The archer captains from Todd are starting to arrive! First up is the Corinthian Captain, seen below. He's working now on the Spartan and Mycenaean Captains, which we should be seeing soon. I'll be doing the Captain for the Athenians, but he's a bit further down the list...

Corinth Archers

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 08, 2014 at 7:22 PM
So as i alluded to earlier I was sorting through heaps of posts here on the forums and on the kickstarter and put together using markers pledge manager a kind of worksheet on where we are at.

I should state I have no insider knowledge of due dates etc or affiliation with Crocodile games. This was compiled was information gathered only in the public domain. You will need to download it if you want to play with it.

Kickstarter Work Status document

I will update when when newer information come to light.

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Posted: Wednesday, Jul 09, 2014 at 6:39 AM
hazpak said:
So as i alluded to earlier I was sorting through heaps of posts here on the forums and on the kickstarter and put together using markers pledge manager a kind of worksheet on where we are at.

I should state I have no insider knowledge of due dates etc or affiliation with Crocodile games. This was compiled was information gathered only in the public domain. You will need to download it if you want to play with it.

Kickstarter Work Status document

I will update when when newer information come to light.

Thanks that's really helpful. As I said this should be on the online store with pictures where available.

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Posted: Sunday, Jul 13, 2014 at 6:47 AM Edited on 2014-07-13 06:49:32.0
OK, here's the latest from the sculpting desk...

I'm still working on the last of the Amazons and the Automaton Bull, but we've run into a bit of a log-jam. The sculpting has currently gotten ahead of the moldmaking, which means I'm still waiting on the greens to come back to complete the Amazon Herald and Musician. But I can't stop the train on their account, so I just started the Atheneans a few weeks early! (Don't be alarmed at this, I usually have about 6 models on the sculpting table at any one time... you have to let the putty cure every so often or you'll mess up the work that you've done! The answer to this is to work on several sculpts at once, and each bit cure as you work on the next model in the line.)

Anyhow... Atheneans! Here are the first 2 complete models, and armature for a third. The 1/2 completed green will be molded as-is, like I did with the Amazon Archers and Peltasts, so I have a bunch of bodies to work from to complete all 4 of the Front-Rank models and the Captain.

These are shown with the Athena shield, the finished models will have several other shields (depending on their Battle Honors), but all of the same basic shape as the one shown here.

Hope you guys like them!

Atheneans

A pic showing them in file, with the 1/2 completed Front Rank sculpt in front:

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Here's a pic showing them in file, with the 1/2 completed Front Rank sculpt in front:

In-progress Atheneans

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Never fails. I tell myself "I'm not interested in the Athenians" and then I see the greens and I am proven wrong yet again. These look great! Love the helmet choice. These will look wicked all ranked up.

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Posted: Sunday, Jul 13, 2014 at 2:06 PM
Same here, never thought I could be interested in anything Athenian, but those sculpts are too good, not to be interested:P

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Fitz, it will be hard to have just one or two armies if you keep sculpting like this.

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Posted: Sunday, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:26 PM
Glad I ordered Athenians!

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Very cool!

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Posted: Monday, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:11 AM
I wish I had ordered the Athenians now. Chris this is some of your best work,Great job.

I can image them facing off against their hated enemy the Spartans.

Oh what glory awaits the Daughters of Athena and the Sons of Apollo on the fields of Hellas.

Norcal Tony

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Posted: Monday, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:46 AM
Fantastic sculpts Chris!!!! I didn't get these in my pledge but I may get some when they eventually get onto general release, well done again! Love the helmets. : )

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Posted: Monday, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:36 AM
I ordered at least one of everything :)

But I guess I will now need more!!!

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Athenians! Man, I'm gonna need to get some eventually...

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Posted: Tuesday, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:04 AM
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Athenians! Man, I'm gonna need to get some eventually...
Glad to see you guys like them, they have been fun and challenging to sculpt so far!

Croc Games is heading to Historicon this week, so any forum questions will have to wait a few days for a reply.

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Posted: Wednesday, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:43 PM
Thinking to myself "well those look nice to bad I didn't pledge for those...."

Checks year old survey responses, "Demigod Athena, Warband Starter – Athenian"

And I even paid extra to ship them separately. "Way to go past tense me"

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@Vandil:

Thinking to myself "Those look amazing!"

Checks year old survey responses, no Athenian

"Stupid, stupid... past tense me"

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Any new tasty morsels for us?

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Posted: Wednesday, Aug 06, 2014 at 7:35 AM
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Any new tasty morsels for us?
Things have been slow on the sculpting front -- I've spent the last 2 weeks cleaning masters (260 minis so far, and still some to go!) It is a long and tedious process, but absolutely necessary to get the best castings possible.

I'll try and see what I can scrounge up to show off for you guys tomorrow. At the very least, we should be able to assemble the Amazon Archer & Peltast units and get them to pause for a photograph!

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Posted: Monday, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:45 AM
Osiris said:
hazpak said:
Any new tasty morsels for us?
Things have been slow on the sculpting front -- I've spent the last 2 weeks cleaning masters (260 minis so far, and still some to go!) It is a long and tedious process, but absolutely necessary to get the best castings possible.

I'll try and see what I can scrounge up to show off for you guys tomorrow. At the very least, we should be able to assemble the Amazon Archer & Peltast units and get them to pause for a photograph!

So this cleaning.. is it of newer models or older models?

How often does this need to be done?

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Posted: Monday, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:33 PM
I believe that the process for casting is:
  1. Model is sculpted
  2. Mould is created from the green
  3. Master metal cast is produced
  4. Master metal cast is cleaned up
  5. Master metal cast is used to create the production mould
  6. Production casts

So in this case Chris is cleaning the masters so that the production casts are as clean as possible (i.e. he's at step 4 in the above process)

I would assume that the green is only used the once, then the master metal is used multiple times

My guess would be that this would happen each time a new master cast needs to be created, which probably depends on how often it's needed to create new moulds...

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Posted: Wednesday, Aug 13, 2014 at 8:43 AM Edited on 2014-08-13 08:45:21.0
Oceanborn said:
I believe that the process for casting is:
  1. Model is sculpted
  2. Mould is created from the green
  3. Master metal cast is produced
  4. Master metal cast is cleaned up
  5. Master metal cast is used to create the production mould
  6. Production casts

So in this case Chris is cleaning the masters so that the production casts are as clean as possible (i.e. he's at step 4 in the above process)

I would assume that the green is only used the once, then the master metal is used multiple times

My guess would be that this would happen each time a new master cast needs to be created, which probably depends on how often it's needed to create new moulds...

The above is precisely correct! Very good, sir!

Cleaning the masters is essential to do correctly - if they are sent to the moldmaker with imperfections like mold lines, metal gate vents, etc, these will be on all of the production figures. So, we clean each and ever one as perfectly as possible, so you don't have to.

If there are a lot of greens involved, it can be a long process - especially if something goes wrong. In this latest batch, I erred on the thickness of the archer's bows, and so I've had to go in and thicken each and every bow on the masters. Each mold has about 12 minis in it, and there are 5 archers, so I had to rework 60 miniatures... doh! It would have been better to catch it at the greens stage, but at least I'll be better prepared in the future.

The good news is that all of the greens in the photo below (and a few more) are now mastered, cleaned, and the masters were sent back to our moldmaker on Monday to have their production molds made. I'm now back at the sculpting table, working on the last few bits for the Amazons (herald and musician, expect pics in about a week or so!)

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Thank you very much for these explanations

Its quite helpful to understand the time some things need!

cheers Thomas

P.S. I have nearly finished to make my trojans ready for painting. Great sculpting production quality each and every miniature! The masters cleaning pays off I understand now.

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Thanks for confirming Chris - I think I may have forgotten a step, and that is if you're planning to have multiples of the same figure in a mould then you have multiple metal masters to clean up.

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I don't remember seeing some of those Amazon poses before. I LOVE what I'm seeing and can't wait for the Amazon's!

Thanks Chris!

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Posted: Thursday, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:46 PM
I notice the male hoplites have corinth and mycaenae on their tabs.

First look swordsmen?

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I LOVE THE AMAZONS!!!

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I notice the male hoplites have corinth and mycaenae on their tabs.

First look swordsmen?

Those are the Mycenaean and Corinthian Archer and Peltast captains.

The Mycenaean Swordsmen are done and dusted, already available in the Croc store! :)

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Ahhhhh saw the sword arms and jumped to conclusions...

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ahem... update?

Sorry amazons are a delivery point for me... getting excited

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Posted: Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:38 PM Edited on 2014-08-28 19:22:21.0
hazpak said:
ahem... update?

Sorry amazons are a delivery point for me... getting excited

As for me

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ahem... update?

Sorry amazons are a delivery point for me... getting excited

We should have a cool little update tonight!

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Ok, here's the latest mechanical menace from Hephaestus' forge... the Bronze Bull!

I am still wrapping up the sculpting, and may add a few more rivets, and still have to cut him apart. He'll end up being at least 4 pieces - 2 body halves, head/horns, and tail. I may also change the horns to make it easier to cast (horns going to the side, rather than sloping forward.) We shall see...

Hope you guys like him, he was a lot more complicated than I had anticipated, I should have known better with multi-part models.

Bronze Bull Automaton

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I do like the horns forward! Do your best to keep them

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Another great looking model.

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Can you cut the horns off the head, as a fifth piece?

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Yes please!

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Oh yes, another great sculpt ! I also vote for the forward horns, if there is such a thing as voting in this issue

I am really happy having included this beast (robot) to my pledge at a later stage.

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Looks awesome. I would also like to throw in my lot with the horns forward crowd.

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The Bull looks awesome.

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Man, I LOVE that bull !! I'm chomping at the bit to paint one!!

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Fitz do you have a rough eta for the amazons at this stage?

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Asgard2502 said:
Fitz do you have a rough eta for the amazons at this stage?
Hey guys, we are now shipping the Sparta and Mycenaean rewards, UK and Europe have already gone out, and it will take about 2 weeks to complete the rest.

Automaton and Amazon production will start right after that, but there are a LOT of Amazon rewards to complete, so please bear with us while we get them all together. So, we are hoping to have them all wrapped up by the end of October, if all goes well. Please keep in mind, this is a big faction with lots of parts, with the Automations going out at the same... Everything looks good so far, but one problem part could delay the whole train. We'll do our best to keep it heading down the tracks!

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Posted: Wednesday, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:12 PM
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Asgard2502
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Posted: Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:01 AM
Hecate said:
Asgard2502 said:
Fitz do you have a rough eta for the amazons at this stage?
Hey guys, we are now shipping the Sparta and Mycenaean rewards, UK and Europe have already gone out, and it will take about 2 weeks to complete the rest.

Automaton and Amazon production will start right after that, but there are a LOT of Amazon rewards to complete, so please bear with us while we get them all together. So, we are hoping to have them all wrapped up by the end of October, if all goes well. Please keep in mind, this is a big faction with lots of parts, with the Automations going out at the same... Everything looks good so far, but one problem part could delay the whole train. We'll do our best to keep it heading down the tracks!

Nice one cheers :-D

I posted in the comments on the latest update, but can we get an alpha copy of the armylists for the amazons and trojans please?

My other army coming is wendigo so I won't be able to get a game and demoing in till I get some rules to hand.

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Posted: Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:59 AM
Asgard2502 said:
Hecate said:
Asgard2502 said:
Fitz do you have a rough eta for the amazons at this stage?
Hey guys, we are now shipping the Sparta and Mycenaean rewards, UK and Europe have already gone out, and it will take about 2 weeks to complete the rest.

Automaton and Amazon production will start right after that, but there are a LOT of Amazon rewards to complete, so please bear with us while we get them all together. So, we are hoping to have them all wrapped up by the end of October, if all goes well. Please keep in mind, this is a big faction with lots of parts, with the Automations going out at the same... Everything looks good so far, but one problem part could delay the whole train. We'll do our best to keep it heading down the tracks!

Nice one cheers :-D

I posted in the comments on the latest update, but can we get an alpha copy of the armylists for the amazons and trojans please?

My other army coming is wendigo so I won't be able to get a game and demoing in till I get some rules to hand.

We're focusing on getting the minis out the door at the moment, but we'll be doing a rules update right after the Amazons ship.

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