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redben
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Posted: Friday, Aug 09, 2013 at 4:36 PM
Whilst I personally don't mind waiting for updates, it's worth taking a look at how Mierce Miniatures have handled their post-KS strategy. They're a small company who had a KS campaign that ended in March which raised a similar amount to WarGods of Olympus. They've made sure that at least one staff member is on the KS comments page every day, even if it's just for a few minutes. It's kept a core of the backers talking to each other to the extent they now have over 12,000 comments on the page. They also send an update out every week, even if all they have to show is a lump of half-formed greenstuff. The overall effect has been to keep the interest up ahead of a second KS beginning next month.

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Posted: Friday, Aug 09, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Redben I don't see how Mierce miniatures has anything to do with what Chris does , First Mierce has at least 5 sculpters and quite a few employees. While Chris has Debs and maybe 2 other people , Chris is sculpting the Amazons ,Trojans ,all the demigods and automatons,about 32 miniatures that have to be done by September,also he is play testing taking pictures for the Olympus book and if that's not enough he still has to run the day to day business as well. Cut the man some slack.

Jon

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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:28 AM
+1 to Spartan.

Though a monthly picture of greens sculpted would be nice.

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redben
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 2:53 AM
Mierce are not a big company, albeit they do utilise more sculpters. That wasn't really my point. The point was that they made an effort to engage their KS base on an ongoing basis following the completion of the campaign and still do so five months after the campaign has ended. It doesn't require much, just a comment or two on the KS comments page each day and an update every couple of weeks, but it pays big dividends.

At the time of writing there is an 8 day old comment and a 20 hour old comment on the KS comments page asking questions that haven't been answered by CG. Not every backer of the KS is here following the forums so the KS page is CG's best way of keeping those customers engaged. Where is the incentive for them to keep checking the KS page if there are no comments made by CG? If weekly WIP shots take too much time then try and do one WIP shot for each new mini and put it in an update. It'll pay dividends because it'll maintain the enthusiasm that the KS campaign generated in those customers. All of the points I made at the start of the campaign about what KS can do for a company are just as valid here.

spartan
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:41 AM
I got your point and your sage business advise,but you seem to have missed mine CG works hard and there product s and rules are of excellent quality, I have been wargaming some 30 odd years and Chris's phalanx rules are genius and his METAL miniatures are clean and first class. And I prefer great rules and excellent miniatures too a whole bunch of comments and fine cast crap that melts at over eighty degrees. As I said Cut Chris some some slack.

Jon

redben
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:41 AM
I didn't miss yours, I was picking up on the lack of time element to show that it can be done without it taking up much time. And if you think that product without effective marketing is sufficient then that's your perogative. I'd like to see WarGods reach the audience it deserves.

powerfrog99
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:01 AM
I am waiting for morsel of information or a few shots of the latest sculptings too. I'm following the Mierce stuff and it looks like some work to do that much, but on 30th of June a comment on the kickstarter from Croc was: "Thanks everyone for your support, encouragement, constant friendly banter and kind comments. You have made our first Kickstarter project a most enjoyable one - chris and I really appreciate it. We plan on making weekly updates as much as possible :-) Thanks again!

--Debs"

Maybe that comment was taken as a kind of promise led rise the expectations to a too high level? I am still eager to see the progress, and I have never before spent so much time on the internet for one particular project. Cheers Thomas

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spartan
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Redben I don't know you,we have never met,this might be a cultural difference or an age difference but IMO you are being rude by telling someone you don't know how to run there business .

Please don't take this as an invitation to try and explain your position, I hope you take this with a grain of salt and just drop it

PM me if you must Jon

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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 12:48 PM
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I have to say that I agree 100% with Redben on this.

I have been playing Wargods since the very first edition, and while I love the game - and think Chris is one of the best sculptors out there, it has always been a mystery to me that Croc doesn't prioritise communications higher. The track record of Croc on this point is not very good, sadly.

Most of the people on this forum - and indeed most of the people backing the kickstarter are junkies for information. Feed us :-)

The long periods of silence is bad business.

Updates, greens, a photo of the workbench, or anything really, create suspense and interest and keep us comming back. Silence kills interest. And it simply is not that hard or time consuming to do.

The quote from Debs that Powerfrog quoted was something I took as fantastic news, but I admit that I feel a bit dissapointed on the level of information so far.

Finally, I fail to see how Redben is rude in any way? He is giving advice - good and respectful advice - to Chris and Debs, and I think it is problematic if this forum should be for "whee - what a fantastic game" comments only.

Wargods is the best game of its kind, and has some of the coolest minis (and Chris and Debs seem to be some of the nicest people in the industry) , but asking for a weekly or bi-weekly update, and suggesting that a small amount of time is spent on the kickstarter comments page is in no way rude. It is helpful!

All the best (and please feed me, Croc), Kasper from Denmark

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rupshall
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Posted: Saturday, Aug 10, 2013 at 3:03 PM Edited on 2013-08-10 15:06:28.0
I just want to add I also agree with Redben, and I cannot see how he was rude in any way? The post was very respectful, and in my opinion warranted.

I've been a Croc fan and supporter since first edition also and I mirror Azaghal's post.

Chris and Debs have always been wonderful to deal with, the best, but I fail to see how it is rude to want more information.

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Posted: Sunday, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:09 AM Edited on 2013-08-11 04:20:14.0
Hey guys,

Please, let's not argue about any of this. I don't think the requests for more images & updates are rude - our backers have provided a huge amount of support, money, and enthusiasm for this project, so it is natural to want to see progress. Yes, I'm juggling a lot of things at the moment, but it's clear I need to sneak away from the sculpting desk more often to keep you guys informed.

On commenting here, let's all remember that it is easy to take posts on forums in ways that the author did not intend. Let's please keep this friendly and all stay on the same side here.

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Posted: Sunday, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:19 AM
Hecate is now up in the sculpting thread!

Check her out here:

Sculpting thread.

GarethPannan
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Posted: Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:53 AM
Well said Chris. If given the choice I'd love to have updates every day but that's silly and impractical! With minis this good - I'm happy to wait for when its possible for Chris to sneek away to send us an update! : )

GarethPannan
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Posted: Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:55 AM
Well said Chris. If given the choice I'd love to have updates every day but that's silly and impractical! With minis this good - I'm happy to wait for when its possible for Chris to sneek away to send us an update! : )

GarethPannan
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Posted: Tuesday, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:56 AM
Sorry, double post! Eep

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