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Akenatum
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Posted: Saturday, Dec 29, 2018 at 1:26 AM Edited on 2018-12-29 03:51:33.0
Do standard bearers and musicians work like they do in Ægyptus now

Edit: Brain fail i just realised i was blanking but the hoplite entry part as far as i can tell you can grab a muso but heralds are 1 off written in equipment.

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Posted: Saturday, Dec 29, 2018 at 2:55 AM
In the absence of any other rules I'd say yes. Musos and heralds are in croc tales 7, but standards aren't. As musos are the same as aegyptus i think it is safe to assume they are also the same

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Posted: Saturday, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:16 AM
Standards and Musicians are the same as in Aegyptus.

However, Hoplites do not use Standards, only a single Herald for the warband.

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Posted: Wednesday, Jan 09, 2019 at 5:52 PM
Putting together a list for Jac for cancon. For the amazons, do the shock cavalry count as 'home/hoplite' troops? I assume that the horse archers are part of the missile troops category.

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 12, 2019 at 4:24 PM
Im also working on my Cancon list and was looking at the phalanx rules.

In Croc tales 7(.5) it says the hoplite needs a large shield and a spear but the beta rules now removes the large shield as an option for most city-states.
Has there been an update to the phalanx rules enabling hoplites to form a phalanx with normal shields?

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 12, 2019 at 4:34 PM
I think we can (nay, must) assume yes... but we should see the full rules this week...

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Posted: Saturday, Jan 12, 2019 at 4:49 PM
That's what I was thinking, but had to ask the question

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Posted: Sunday, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:23 AM
The phalanx can now be made with either normal or large shields.

Nebseni Hammerhand
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Posted: Monday, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:47 PM
A thought on the amazon horse archers: Should they be able to evade? And further, make a 'parthian shot' while evading?

Also, should Amazon demigods have the option for being mounted as there appears to be the possibility of them running a completely mounted force? (Or is Penthesila a specific exception?)

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Posted: Monday, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:58 PM
I think the outriders have enough advantages without needing the option to evade and fire...

You can only take two mounted units in total, which are limited to 15 models each, which precludes a fully mounted force!

I agree that the Amazons should have the option of a mounted demigod, as they do not have access to Chariots...

Nebseni Hammerhand
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Posted: Monday, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:19 PM
Sigh. Another limit missed. Have to rework jacs list again.

On evade (and firing while evading) it seems thematically appropriate to allow horse archers to evade and also a parthian shot even if it costs more.

Also, for the final rules, should specialists be allowed mounts? For, for example, a mancatcher be able to be deployed mounted?

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Posted: Tuesday, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:19 AM
Another question, for the amazon lancers (Raiders), as they are armed with spears, are they able to fight in two ranks in the same way as spear armed infantry do?

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Posted: Tuesday, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:29 PM
I understand the thematic concept behind it, but how many points would that ability be worth, especially considering that they would also need additional exemptions from skirmish formation etc.?

For the Raiders I personally think they probably shouldn't fight in two ranks, but we'll have to wait for Osiris to make a ruling on that methinks!

Nebseni Hammerhand
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Posted: Tuesday, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:18 PM
Agreed Oceanborn. Still, it could work to allow them to skirmish, a looser formation for the horse archers and a tight boot-to-boot one for the lancers.

Can borrow the rule from the Satyrs then.

I would doubt the lancers should be able to fight in two ranks, but it is not ruled out and if it was not intended, it needs to be stated. They might also benefit from the chariot 'blow through a unit' rule too.

Another thing I noticed: the Hellhounds only having a move of 6 seems a little slow.

It will be interesting to see what the greek Sorceresses are like, assuming they made the final cut. There are references in the fluff and in the campaign reinforcement rules

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Posted: Wednesday, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:40 AM
Nebseni Hammerhand said:
It will be interesting to see what the greek Sorceresses are like, assuming they made the final cut. There are references in the fluff and in the campaign reinforcement rules
There is not a specific 'Sorceress' character, a Sorcerer is the tern we use for any spell-using character (Master of Words, War Witch, etc).

There is a mistake on the Amazon Specialist reinforcement page (#10 Sorcerer). However, that's a holdover from the working outline, and the War Witch should have replaced that. #10 should be 'Player choice'.

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Posted: Wednesday, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:51 AM
Nebseni Hammerhand said:
On evade (and firing while evading) it seems thematically appropriate to allow horse archers to evade and also a parthian shot even if it costs more.
Thanks for the suggestion, but its not going to happen. Outriders can already outmaneuver nearly any warrior unit in the game with the skills they have.

Amazon Outriders can move at 20" speed, shoot at any point during their move, and have a 360-degree field of fire. Think about it this way: they can advance to within firing range (but out of charge range for foot troops), shoot at their opponents, and flee. The can then continue to fire on subsequent turns, even while riding away from their opponents. That is effectively a Parthian Shot.

Adding a specific 'evade and shoot' rule would just absolve the Amazon player from the responsibility of having to make the correct tactical decision of when and where to turn -- thus allowing her effectively steal the Edge from any unit that attacks her, even if she lost the Edge. Sure, that sounds pretty good if you are an amazon player, but it is hardly fair.

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